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If Laws Change, 'Penny Hoarders' Could Cash in on Thousands of Dollars

Joe Henry is on a first name basis with bank tellers across his hometown of Medford, Ore., scouring 15 banks a week with one thing on his mind: pennies.

Henry is often seen toting around bags of pennies, some he buys, others he changes back in for cash, which seems a little strange at first. He's not a collector, he is what's known as a "penny hoarder" and he is not alone.

Inside a shed next to his house, Henry has orange tubs filled with 200,000 pennies, and he spends hours sorting through roll after roll of the coins. But it's not just any and all pennies, Henry is only interested in those that are dated from 1982 and earlier because those are the coins made with 95 percent copper. A copper penny is worth more than other pennies -- now mostly made of zinc -- currently priced at $0.024.

"The copper has such a different sound than zinc pennies do," Henry said. "Real money has that definite sound of money and if you listen to a modern zinc penny, they don't sound the same, they sound sort of tinny."

Henry even has a $500 home counting machine to separate out the copper ones.

Much like the resurging obsession with gold, the price of copper has skyrocketed in recent years and the rising price has led to some unusual sprees. Thieves have been exploiting the value hidden in obscure items, stripping copper wiring from phone and utility cables, from construction sites, even from a 122-year-old copper bell that was stolen from a San Francisco cathedral.

In San Diego, so much copper wiring has been stolen from eight different city parks, that soccer teams can't practice because the field lights stopped working.

But penny hoarders aren't thieves, just opportunists. There are a slew of listing for pennies in bulk on eBay, but what's amazing is they include listings for $10 in pennies being sold for $20 dollars. If you think only a sucker would pay two cents for a penny, you're missing out on a business opportunity that Adam Youngs, who runs a massive penny sorting operation in Portland, Ore., has perfected.

He explained how he can sell a $100 worth of pennies for $176, when shipping and packaging are included.

Youngs' operation, the Portland Mint, is locked inside a secure facility that deals with armored cars -- selling and shipping to clients in every state -- and works in pennies by the ton. He said he has clients with deep pockets who are storing huge sacks of pennies and he has inquires from hedge funds.

"Just in face value alone, about $270,000 dollars [in pennies] right now," Youngs said. "That is just the face value, that is not even the copper value. The copper value is about three times that much."

Inside the Portland Mint. Credit: ABC News

Clients use Youngs because he separates copper pennies from the chump change -- the newer pennies that are only worth $0.01.

But in the weird world of penny hoarding, getting to the copper is a very big problem. It's illegal to melt pennies an there is an obscure federal law that makes it illegal to transport more than $5 in pennies out of the country.

Penny hoarders know this of course, but they also know something else. In what could be the biggest legislation to hit the U.S. Mint in 50 years, officials are now looking at the composition of pennies and nickels and considering an overhaul. If the laws change and the mint decides to abolish the penny, people would be free to melt them down for the copper.

A penny saved, many times over, could be a whole lot earned.

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While most of us are out buying holiday presents some people are getting their gifts with a five-finger discount. Ad Week is reporting that one in every 11 people walks out the door with at least one item they didn’t pay for. With shoplifting up six percent this year, retailers stand to lose a whopping $119 billion of merchandise to shoplifters in 2011. And it’s not just kids with sticky fingers—75 percent of shoplifters are adults, most of whom have jobs. We know people are hunting for holiday deals, but this amount of theft is both surprising and sad.

Ad Week spoke with loss prevention experts on why shoplifting is the highest it’s been in five years. "Most shoplifters simply succumb to temptation, “Johnny Custer, director of field operations for Merchant Analytic Solutions, told Ad Week. “But add a sense of desperation because of the economy and holiday pressures, and you have the recipe for theft soup." Barbara Staib, a spokesperson for the National Association of Shoplifting Prevention, told Ad Week, "Seventy percent of shoplifters tell us they didn't plan to shoplift."

Exactly what are people stealing? Ad Week has compiled the top 10 most shoplifted items of 2011 and they’re truly bizarre.

1. Filet mignon

So many people are tucking choice cuts of meats under their jackets that supermarkets are now considered the stores with the most theft.

2. Jameson

Those with an unquenchable thirst for booze just help themselves to a free bottle of expensive liquor.

3. Electric tools
Apparently the the most common items men nab are electric toothbrushes and power tools. At least they’re fighting cavities.

4. iPhone 4
Electronics like smartphones and video games are high risk items, and one research group claims 100,000 laptops are stolen annually from big box stores.

5. Gillette Mach 4

Anyone who uses non-disposable razors knows they’re pretty expensive, so in tough financial times people don’t want to pay for them anymore.

6. Axe
The men’s deodorant and body wash we love to hate are often stolen in mass quantities and resold at flea markets and corner stores. Dial is popular amongst thieves too.

7. Polo Ralph Lauren
Clothing theft is up 31 percent since 2009. It’s hard to look good in a bad economy, so some score fresh threads the illegal way.

8. Let’s Rock Elmo
The Sesame Street toy topped the Toys’R’Us "Hot Toys" list this year, so parents are stealing this must-have toy for their kids if they can’t afford it.

9. Chanel No. 5

Who wouldn’t love a bottle of this popular woman’s fragrance? Expensive perfumes make up nearly four percent of loss in stores that carry them.

10. Nikes

As Ad Week points out, some shoppers wear flip-flops into a store, try on a pair of sneakers, and walk out wearing them. Sneaker heads will do whatever it takes to score the kicks on their wish list.
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Italy collapse would be the 'end of the euro'

Italy had to pay record rates to raise €10bn this morning, while France and Germany warn that a blow-out in its giant debt mountain would signal "the end of the euro."

Meanwhile, EU Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn has upped the pressure on Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti's new government, calling for "an ambitious timeline" on economic reforms.

"Italy is faced with formidable challenges," Mr Rehn told Italian lawmakers during a visit to Rome.

"The new government needs to deliver on fiscal consolidation and adopt bold measures to re-launch growth," he said.

''Full and effective implementation will be key," he said, adding: "It would be essential to give strong signals to citizens and markets with a clear and ambitious roadmap for reform and an ambitious timeline."

In its bond auction, Italy was forced to pay a rate of 6.504% on bonds due in six months and 7.814% on bonds due in two years - dangerous levels that analysts say could drive Italy insolvent within months.

A day after a summit in Strasbourg with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Mr Monti's press office reported the two leaders had said a debt collapse in Italy would be "the end of the euro." more
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EU demands right to dictate national budgets

The European Union demanded Wednesday sweeping powers to override national budgets and proposed issuing joint eurozone bonds to help resolve and prevent a repeat of the debt crisis.

"Without stronger governance, it will be difficult if not impossible to sustain the common currency," EU Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso said of his latest legislative proposals.

The head of the executive EU arm, Barroso presented radical plans that would allow him and Economy Commissioner Olli Rehn to decide to intervene in national policymaking.

Each said such new powers were a pre-condition for pooling eurozone government bonds, presented as a future safeguard.

Chancellor Angela Merkel immediately repeated Germany's opposition to joint eurozone bonds, saying the approach would not work -- just as investors shunned an issue of German 10-year bonds, considered the eurozone gold standard.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy voiced the conviction, which he said Merkel shared, that the 17 eurozone nations must "better integrate and that at the heart of that integration France and Germany must grow closer and be the base of stability in the eurozone and Europe in general."

"There is no other choice," he stressed.

Such closer integration would mean no over-reaching national budgets and no "fiscal dumping".

Countries with excessive budget deficits must make efforts to bring them down, he added, addressing a meeting of French mayors in Paris.

However the Netherlands, which backs stronger budget policing, meanwhile warned that plans for fiscal convergence also face an "uphill struggle."

Without naming the objectors, Finance Minister Jan Kees De Jager said: "There are those who resist further discipline."

The proposals, which concern only the eurozone at this stage, must now journey through the EU's 27 member states and the European Parliament.

Barroso argued that to complement democracy at the level of national parliaments, for instance in the setting of annual budgets, a "democracy of the EU" also had to be given its say.

Otherwise, he said, Europe would "hand sovereignty to markets."

The EU has rules on annual deficits and cumulative debts but these have been trampled over for years by its governments.

This time, the Commission wants the power to send inspectors in to finance ministries around Europe, and demand changes it believes better meet the needs of the common good before funds are legally allocated.

Now the Commission wants states to set up independent councils using external forecasting to agree on spending, taxation and other budget-shaping reforms.

The EU wants to institutionalise audits of troubled nations -- like the missions in Greece or Italy -- before bailouts become necessary.

Rehn said the right to intervene in a eurozone state's public finances would be awarded when the Commission and the European Central Bank (ECB) determine that financial stability is at risk.

Germany wants to go further and empower the European Court of Justice to pursue the worst offenders.

However Germany is staunchly against jointly-guaranteed eurozone bonds, believing they are not the answer to the eurozone debt crisis either in the short or long-term. Finland and the Netherlands also came out against eurobonds.

Merkel said she found it "extremely worrying" and "inappropriate" that the Commission was pressing ahead with eurobonds proposals, underlining: "This will not work."

German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said "we won't take that path."

As Europe's biggest economy, Germany would be liable for the lion's share of pooled borrowings, and would see its ultra-low borrowing costs rise.

While Germany has been largely insulated from the difficulties weaker eurozone countries have had in raising funds, on Wednesday it had a shock when it was able to place only 3.6 billion euros' ($4.8 billion) worth of its benchmark 10-year "Bund" from a total of 6.0 billion euros on offer.

The borrowing rate remained low, but Austria's central bank head and European Central Bank (ECB) governing council member Ewald Nowotny called it an "alarm signal".

Germany and France have also sparred over recent days over having the ECB become a lender of last resort in order to resolve the debt crisis.

EU leaders are expected to debate the legislative package and related ideas at an early-December summit.

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European stock markets end mostly lower

Fitch cuts Portugal’s debt rating to junk status


By Barbara Kollmeyer, MarketWatch

MADRID (MarketWatch) — A pan-European stock index ended marginally lower on Thursday, falling for a sixth consecutive trading session after comments from euro-zone leaders disappointed investors.

The Stoxx Europe 600 index XX:SXXP -0.15% fell 0.2% to end at 219.98. It has dropped 5.3% so far this week.

U.S. markets were closed on Thursday for the Thanksgiving Day holiday.

Most European markets turned lower after French President Nicolas Sarkozy told reporters after a meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti that they respect the independence of the European Central Bank and won’t make demands on the institution as they try to tackle the sovereign debt crisis.

Euro zone running out of time

Time is running out for a solution to the euro-zone crisis. Simon Nixon says that the sovereign bond market is dead and that only a euro-zone-wide solution will reassure investors.

Merkel again criticized calls for the issuance of euro bonds, saying that common interest rates for all euro-zone borrowers would send the “wrong signal.”

“The market had too high hopes going into the scheduled meeting of Sarkozy, Monti and Merkel,” said Steen Jakobsen, chief economist at Saxo Bank. “France is not in any position to put pressure on Merkel. The single biggest thing Sarkozy needs to do is not put pressure on [France’s] AAA rating ahead of the election.”

Earlier, European markets had gained after the Ifo Institute reported that its November index of German business confidence rose to 106.6 from 106.4 in October, compared to expectations for a fall to 105.1.

The German DAX 30 index DX:DAX -0.54% closed down 0.5% to 5,428.11. The index fell 1.4% on Wednesday after Germany saw poor demand for its 10-year bonds at an auction.

Portugal downgraded

In Lisbon, the PSI 20 index PT:PSI20 -0.85% fell 0.9% to 5,185.10, with Banco Comercial Portugues PT:MBC -9.42% down 9.4%.

The losses came after Fitch Ratings downgraded Portugal’s sovereign credit rating to junk status, and assigned it a negative outlook. Trade unions in Portugal, meanwhile, were staging a 24-hour strike to protest government austerity measures.

The French CAC 40 index FR:PX1 -0.0064% finished virtually unchanged at 2,822.25. Among banks, BNP Paribas SA FR:BNP +3.31% gained 3.3% and Societe Generale SA FR:GLE +3.02% rose 3%.

Shares of Vallourec SA FR:VK +6.01% rose 6% after the French steel- tube maker was lifted to overweight from equalweight at Morgan Stanley.

In other Paris trade outside the CAC 40, shares of Arkema SA FR:AKE +6.54% rose 6.5% after the French-based chemicals group was upgraded to overweight from neutral at J.P. Morgan Cazenove, following news the group will sell its vinyls unit, which the broker said removes a “major negative influence” on the valuation.

Also in Paris, Air France-KLM FR:AF +10.03% shares surged 10% after Societe Generale lifted its rating on the airline to hold from sell.

In Brussels, shares of Belgian-Franco lender Dexia BE:DEXB +27.88% surged nearly 28%, although they remain down 86% year-to-date.

A newspaper reported on Wednesday that Belgian officials were seeking to renegotiate a bailout deal for the bank, which is being broken up, with the aim of getting France to take on a bigger share of the burden.

RAW 15.19, +0.93, +6.52%

French and Belgian officials are readying guarantees for the lender that will be ready within a few days, reported Bloomberg News on Thursday, quoting a French official.

Meanwhile, Reuters reported that the situation has gotten so bad for the lender that it’s using emerging liquidity facilities in Belgium, France, Spain and Italy.

A spokesperson from Dexia declined to comment on the Reuters report but pointed to the bank’s Nov. 9 statement that it has increased its take of central-bank liquidity.

Shares of Austrian-based Raiffeisen Bank International DE:RAW +6.52% RAIFF -3.72% rose nearly 6%. The Eastern Europe-focused lender reported a 58% drop in third-quarter consolidated profit to €130 million ($174 million). However, the result was higher than the average estimate of €99 million in a Bloomberg survey of analysts.

The U.K.’s FTSE 100 index UK:UKX -0.24% fell 0.2% to end at 5,127.57, dropping for a ninth consecutive trading day. In the oil sector, BP PLC BP -0.20% UK:BP -1.37% fell 1.4% and Royal Dutch Shell PLC RDS.A +0.43% UK:RDSA -1.69% dropped 1.7%.

On the positive side, most U.K. banking shares posted gains. Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC RBS +1.37% UK:RBS +3.63% rose 3.6% and Barclays PLC BCS -3.85% UK:BARC +3.11% gained 3.1%.

Barbara Kollmeyer is an editor for MarketWatch in Madrid.

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Can gold save the eurozone?

@CNNMoneyMarkets November 23, 2011: 9:17 AM ET
Gold has historically been used as collateral but it's unclear if it would work today.

Gold has historically been used as collateral but it's unclear if it would work today.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- With no end to the eurozone debt crisis in sight, there has also been no end to the stream of possible solutions. The latest involves using gold as collateral.

With eurozone central banks holding some 64% of the world's gold reserves, they'd have the heft to back that up.

And there is some precedent, though that was largely during the pre-euro era. So it is unclear what legal hurdles might need to be overcome to satisfy all 17 euro-area nations.

But assuming those challenges could be addressed, experts see it as a real win-win possibility.

"Historically it's not unusual for a country to use gold as collateral," said Jeffrey Nichols, managing director of American Precious Metals Advisors in New York.

The idea of using gold as collateral was rumored to be part of a broader proposal unveiled by the European Commission Wednesday. Although that plan did not specifically discuss the notion of gold as collateral, experts said it's still a plausible scenario.

Eurobonds: The 'solution' that just won't stick

The EC's plan did detail three different options for eurobonds, an idea that's been floated around before and one that's been met with staunch resistance from stronger eurozone countries, such as Germany.

"I think it was wrong of Germany to dismiss it out of hand," said Robin Bhar, senior metals analyst at Credit Agricole in London. "If we're moving toward the end game, then everything should be ruled in and nothing should be ruled out."

Eurozone central banks hold roughly 10,792 metric tonnes of gold. At today's prices, that would give the stash a price tag of nearly $650 billion.







While that's not enough to solve all of Europe's problems, it could offer a step in the right direction, especially if it piques the interest of, say China -- a country that has been lukewarm at best about how involved it wants (or doesn't want) to be.

Nichols said that "given China's thirst for gold," it could very well become interested in offering some type of financial assistance to eurozone countries in distress.

And if the eurozone countries don't want to go 'all in,' it's conceivable that at least one country could try the collateralization route -- barring the potential legal hurdles.

"It's quite possible that one of the central banks could use gold as collateral for refinancing," he added.

Italy's central bank has the fourth-largest gold reserve holding, at 2,451 metric tonnes. And it's also the country that's attracting the most attention recently, for its burgeoning debt load of €1.9 trillion, a GDP-to-debt ratio of 120% and steep borrowing costs that are keeping its 10-year yield stuck uncomfortably close to 7%.
European debt crisis drives gold rush

What would all this mean for the price of gold? Assuming the plan gets enough support, both Bhar and Nichols see it as a positive.

"It would give a sense that gold held by Euro debtor nations would be less likely to flood the market and give legitimacy to gold having some monetary value," said Nichols.

Just a few months ago, gold prices came within spitting distance of $2,000 an ounce. Currently, prices are hovering around $1,700 an ounce. To top of page
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